Friday, December 19, 2014

the son of perdition

The Son of Perdition

The Son of Perdition

Opening song 100-     great is thy faithfulness
Closing song   430     - joy by and by
Scripture reading john 3:16-17
Topic: The son of perdition


intro
I have chosen to speak about a being that is loosely made mention of but vaguely comprehended.  This is not an attempt to completely explain him, as I cannot boast that I fully understand him. This much I can do, I can share with you what has been revealed about Him to me in scripture.

Let us turn to our text of study, john 3:16-17 which will be the starting text for the series that I will be sharing with you for the next couple of days.

Before we begin to dig in let us ask the Holy Spirit to attend us so that we can be led into all truth.

Let us Pray!!

John 3:16-17

3:16   For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 
  3:17   For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.


Who  is a son?
O.K. to start proper we have to clarify some terms. The first of which is who is a son?

So…according to scripture, who is a son?

Scripture documents two types. A son is either one born by natural means or one who is adopted by marriage. So you have literal son as documented in much of the bible, Gen 4, 5, 6 etc. Then you have son-in-law as documented in some parts of the genealogy of Christ in Luke 3.

Difference in genealogy of Christ
One explanation, held by the church historian Eusebius, is that Matthew is tracing the primary, or biological, lineage while Luke is taking into account an occurrence of "levirate marriage." If a man died without having any sons, it was tradition for the man's brother to marry the widow and have a son who would carry on the deceased man's name. According to Eusebius's theory, Melchi (Luke 3:24) and Matthan (Matthew 1:15) were married at different times to the same woman (tradition names her Estha). This would make Heli (Luke 3:23) and Jacob (Matthew 1:15) half-brothers. Heli then died without a son, and so his (half-)brother Jacob married Heil's widow, who gave birth to Joseph. This would make Joseph the "son of Heli" legally and the "son of Jacob" biologically. Thus, Matthew and Luke are both recording the same genealogy (Joseph's), but Luke follows the legal lineage while Matthew follows the biological.

A special Son
Based on our last study we understand that Jesus was not the son-in-law of Adam, but he was Adam's direct biological son, as in his natural son. For further information on this you can read the Sons of God study on this blog.

Nevertheless understand that Jesus was the son of Adam in a special sense. Although he had Adam to call his natural father, he also had God to call his natural divine father.

Jesus is the only begotten of the Father. The father has many sons by adoption (sons-in-law) but only one begotten.(john 3:16, john 1:12)

This brings us to our next text of study.

Gen 3:15

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Who were these seeds?
In most cases the word seed here is given the generic meaning of "descendants" and the singular meaning referring to a specific being is dismissed.

Most bible students quickly recognize the singular definition associated with the seed of the woman. They quickly recognize that the seed of the woman is Christ, however brand the seed of the serpent in most cases with the plural generic definition.

A little closer look at the text will reveal that the meaning of seed used in the verse has both a singular and a plural application.

Plural application
between thy seed and her seed;

In this part of the text, the meaning of seed is vague and it can be given the plural application here. However there should be no mistake in the latter part of the verse that the seeds referred to here are singular in nature.

Singular application
it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Notice the singular pronouns used. "it, thy, thou and his"

There is no plurality here described. This is definitely a conflict between two singular seeds….two beings.

From the pronouns used we can deduce the following about the seeds involved in this conflict:

The seeds were humans and they were male
Notice the masculine pronoun used- "his" this tells us that the seeds were going to be male. By default this also tells us that these seeds were going to be human.

In spite of the fact that one seed was referred to as being the seed of the serpent no doubt this seed was indeed human and male. We will develop this further momentarily.

For now, one thing is certain, these two seeds mentioned in Gen 3:15 were going to fulfill a special mission in man's history. This too also spoke to the fact that they were to be reckoned as part of man's family (human).

The seed of the woman
For a moment let us consider the seed of the woman.  When the bible here mentions that this was the seed of the woman, it was making a clear distinction that this seed was not coming from Adam. In other words, this was not the man's seed.

Biologists will tell us that the male carries the seed and the woman carries the egg.

However the mention here of the woman's seed was pointing to the fact that this descendent of man, was going to come solely from the woman. This seed was not going to be born by natural means. This seed was going to be virgin born.

Since this seed comes from the woman no douobt it is human. The verse highlights tha the two seeds are to do battle. In order for this fight to be a fair one, it must needs be that both seeds are similar beings. In this case, they are both humn.


The seed of the serpent
Now let us consider the seed of the serpent.

We can conclude, based upon the induction made about the seed of the woman, that this seed of the serpent was not going to be born by natural means either.

Gen 3:15

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

In this verse (gen 3:15) there is evidence to suggest that this seed would not have a man on earth to call father. I am not saying that the son of perdition will be virgin born, but it seems that the son of perdition will be some product of the serpent and humanity, in the same way that Jesus was the product of humanity and God.

Can angels Pro-create
Please understand that I am not saying that the fallen angel Lucifer will pro-create with a human. This is not what I am saying; in spite of an ever growing belief stemming from a misunderstanding of Genesis 6:1-2 that angels can procreate, Jesus makes this point abundantly clear in Matth.  22:30
  
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. 

It was not a privilege given to them. As a matter of fact, no other creature in all of creation can pro-create. This is something bestowed only on man. For further reading on the topic see creation series – Day 3 on this blog.

As is a common belief among bible scholars water in prophetic application represent dense population and land represent sparse population. Then on day 3 God did not ordain the water to bring forth, he told the land to bring forth. Now we do know today that sea does have trees and shrubs in it. However it is not recorded that way in Genesis. This has a special significance upon the role of man.

Types
Let us return to our study.

There are types of sons of perdition, as there are types sons of God and scripture makes mention of both. However as there is only one begotten son of God, it seems there will be only one person/being/entity who will be able to reckoned the true son of perdition.

Before I proceed, let me make this abundantly clear. The devil is in the truest sense the real son of perdition. For it was in him that sin commenced; he is and was the first child of disobedience.

You will notice in Gen 3:15 that there is a distinction in the latter part of the verse.

it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Notice the battle between the seeds is contextually narrowed between the singular reference of the seeds. Bible scholars will tell you that this no doubt is that battle that must take place between the devil and Christ.

Consequently it is not hard to perceive that Christ is that seed of the woman who should come, and the devil is the true son of perdition; the seed that would do battle with Christ, and his seed.

However this battle is to take place on a much wider scale. The only way that we will be able to make this connection is if we take a closer look at this battle as it is represented in the two types of seed present in the Earth.

Types of Sons of Perdition
Since this is a study of the son of perdition, this is where my focus shall be; however to get a better picture of the types son of God, there is a study on this blog with the title Sons of God.

To clearly understand the topic of the sons of perdition it is needful to start at the beginning.

What is perdition?
From a comparison of texts we can see that perdition is nothing good. The word "perdition" occurs in the English Bible 8 times (John 17:12; Php 1:282Th 2:31Ti 6:9Heb 10:392Pe 3:7Re 17:11,18). In each of these cases it denotes the final state of ruin and punishment which forms the opposite to salvation. The verb apolluein, from which the word is derived, has two meanings:

(1) to lose;

(2) to destroy.

Both of these pass over to the noun, so that apoleia comes to signify:

(1) loss;

(2) ruin, destruction.


The first human son of perdition
By understanding the meaning of perdition, we can better understand the meaning of the son of perdition.

Gen 4:1&2

  4:1   And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. 
  4:2   And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

For this verse, it is necessary for me to make this one point. In spite of the fact this verse records that Eve was the one that gave birth to Cain, he is reckoned as the seed of the Satan.

Turn with me to

Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's [works were] righteous.

Cain is not the son of perdition. He is only a type. In spite of the fact that a mark (of the beast) is placed upon him, he is not the literal fulfilment of the seed that should bruise the heel of the seed of the woman.

There are other significant mentions of sons of the devil, namely in  

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

And

2Thes 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

However please note that the prophecy is fulfilled only in part as we consider the fact that Cain (a type of seed of the serpent) killed Abel (a type of the son of God-John 1:12 , Romans 8:14). We will develop this further as we consider the mission of the two seeds.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God

Mission of the seeds

What was the mission of the son of God?

To find this answer we can look at the meaning of the names in Christ’s genealogy. Turn to Luke chapter 3:37-38

3:37   Which was [the son] of Mathusala, which was [the son] of Enoch, which was the son] of Jared, which was [the son] of Maleleel, which was [the son] of Cainan, 
  3:38   Which was [the son] of Enos, which was [the son] of Seth,

Adam- man's representative
Seth- he was to be the replacement
Enos- mortal man
Cainan - nest, a chamber of dwelling
Maleleel - praise of God
Jared- to descend, come down
Enoch - dedicate, train up, initiate or disciple
Mathusala - his death shall bring


From the meaning of the list here mentioned it is clear what the mission of Christ was supposed to be.

I did not add or take away any words. However I hope that you can see the tie between the names in Christ genealogy and His mission.
The names listed in the bible in general  also amplify the mission of Christ. We don’t have time to that today, but I recommend any of you to get a Strong’s Concordance and do some research on names that are found in the bible and see how the meaning of the name amplifies the plan of redemption.

Mission of the son of perdition
This too can be gleaned from looking at the meaning of the names of Cain’s descendants.

Adam- man's representative

CainA primitive root; to strike a musical note, that is, chant or wail (at a funeral): - lament, mourning woman.

Enoch - dedicate, train up, initiate or disciple

Irad - fugitive

Mehujael- smitten of God

Methusael-who demands his death

Lamech.- as if intentional this word is not found in the Hebrew dictionary. But the most notable thing about the person wo wore this name, is that he is the first to be recorded as having 2 wives. The names of these 2 wives tell a story.

Adah: Adornment.

to advance, that is, pass on or continue; causatively to remove; specifically to bedeck (that is, bring an ornament upon): - adorn, deck (self), pass by, take away. 

Zillah:  Shadow, the tingling of the ear.
A primitive root (rather identical with H6749 through the idea of hovering over (compare H6754)); to shade, as twilight or an opaque object: - begin to be dark, shadowing.

It seems that these two women wore jewelry, one on her person and the other in the ear. If we join the names together up to the name of the wives mentioned, we get a most interesting picture of what the son of perdition would be doing?

After his rwo eives are metnioned, he then confesses that he killed two men, something definitiive of the character of the son of perdition.

jabal/jubal


What are the characteristics of the son of the devil?
They are called the seed of the devil: Cain the first child of the devil

Can angels pro-create?
In spite of an ever growing belief that angels can procreate, this is not the case.

Matth.  22:30   For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. 

It was not a privilege given to them. As a matter of fact, no other creature in all of creation can pro-create. This is something bestowed only on man. I would have to get down deep into the creation series in order to explain this, but let me just give you a hint.

If water represent dense population and land represent sparse population. Then on day 3 God did not ordain the water to bring forth, he told the land to bring forth. Now we do know today that sea does have trees and shrubs in it. However it is not recorded that way in Genesis. This has a special significance upon the role of man.

Where did the devils seed come from?

Gen 3:15

The seed of the devil came from Adam. That is why God had to put enmity between the two seeds. Here is a sort of distorted view of what would have happened had Adam and Eve been allowed to procreate in the Garden. God would have separated the seeds, but they would have come together.

What are the characteristics of the son of the devil cont’d?

They break traditions
Their worship seems to be Christian, they bring offerings
They’re usually involved with someone being slain: the first two records of murder was in Cain’s genealogy.
There is usually an attempt to rid themselves of the guilt of the slaying
They do not love truth

 2 thes 2:10   And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 

Let’s go alittle further and look at the story being told through the genealogy

Gen 4:17 -19
  4:17   And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. 
  4:18   And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech. 
  4:19   And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one [was] Adah, and the name of the other Zillah. 


Who was the son of perdition mentioned in John 17
john  17:12   While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

It is obvious from context clues, that Judas is the son of Perdition here. However what is perdition.

Before we look into that, notice the similarities that exist between Judas and Cain.
They are called the seed of the devil: Cain the first child of the devil
They break traditions
Their worship seems to be Christian, they bring offerings
They’re usually involved with someone being slain: the first two records of murder was in Cain’s genealogy.
There is usually an attempt to rid themselves of the guilt of the slaying
They do not love truth

 2 thes 2:10   And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 

And why was he called the the son of perdiditon?

What is perdition? Phil 1:”28
1:28   And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.

1 tim 6:9   But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and [into] many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

heb  10:39   But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. 

How and why was Judas called the son of perdition

Type fulfilled
Back to gen 3:15

Notice that these are seeds in a special sense with a special calling

These are not sons of the woman or sons of the devil

Hence 2 Thess. 2: makes note of “the” son of perdition. And not referring to the general sons of perdition.

In the same way that scripture makes the distinction between anti-christs and the Anti-Christ.

Jesus ministry was for 3 ½ years
The devil’s ministry was for 3 ½ prophetic years
In the same way thata Christ was direct to God and Man
The son of perdition will be direct to Satan and Man

His time will come back again.rev17

17:8   The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 
  17:9   And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 
  17:10   And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 
  17:11   And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. 

He will bear all the characteristics overy son of perdition before him
How is the The pope a son of perdition -  head chief- the anti Christ office
Not covered by the blood – anyone


2 thess 2:3-10

  2:3   Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 
  2:4   Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 
  2:5   Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 
  2:6   And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 
  2:7   For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way. 
  2:8   And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 
  2:9   [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 
  2:10   And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.


Appeal
Do you love truth?

Christ dies for us while we yet his enemies. (scripture) Understand that there is no measure to amount of love that God expressed for us. The amount of love could not be described by any greater adjective, than “SO” showing its limitlessness.


Understand that the fate of those who do not yield to him is certain, however God extended SO much love towards us that even then we can be saved.

Purpose in your heart that you will not let the devil win.

When you fall get up. (prov. – a righteousman)

Don’t stay down and wallow.


Don’t be a son of perdition, after God has declared you to be his son, although it has not appeared what we shall be 1 John 3:

Who is Michael the arch-angel

Michael the arch angel

  1. Jesus and Michael are one
  2. Michael is God
  3. Role of Michael
  4. Meaning of the name=one who is as God is
  
Meaning or arch-online etymology dictionary

arch





If something or someone is understood to be chief and then something or someone supersedes, then that person or thing is no more supreme, but secondary.

Jesus and Michael are one
1 thes 4: vs rev
Acts 7:55 vs dan 12:1

                                    LUKE 7:2-10- The centurions faith
LUKE 7:2-10
Key verse
Vs. 8 “For I also am a man set under authority”
“The miracles of Christ for the afflicted and suffering were wrought by the power of God through the ministration of the angels.” – DA 143

“And it is through Christ, by the ministration of His heavenly messengers, that every blessing comes from God to us.” – DA 143


Who is MICHAEL the arch angel?
In Revelation 3:14, the Greek word for “beginning” is arche. It can mean “beginning,” in the sense that the one to whom it refers is the beginner of the event or action. In this context, arche refers to Jesus as the Beginner, or the first cause of all creation. In other words, He is the Creator (John 1:1-3; Eph. 3:8-9).
This is extremely significant. Jesus, the One who spoke and worlds came into being, the One who created the earth, the One who spoke life into existence-this same Jesus speaks hope to Laodicea. The all-powerful Creator can create new life. He can recreate new spiritual longings in our hearts. He can transform our spiritual lives.

Sabbath school quarterly Sunday June ,2013

He is the one that Commands the Mighty innumerable Host Of Holy Angels?

There are other captains of angels in the heavens. Dan 10:13 However Michael is the chiefest of all Captains. Eph 3:15, dan10:21

The all created beings including the angels honor and recognize him as such. (Desire of ages last chapter.-ascension and second coming)

Being a captain of Angels, there were angels that were in his direct command. These would be called his angels. Similarly the Lucifer’s office also had angels under it’s command. These would be endowed with the name of Lucifer’s angels. Rev 12

He leads a great company of angels, similar to Christ leading a great company of Angels.

Function of Michael
Military commander. Battle formation sword drawn. The sword is not drawn for show.
Number 22:10, 31
Josh 5:14
Dan 10:13
Jude 9
Rev 12:

As Judge
I see the angel in the garden with a flaming sword to be Michael. He is the judgment angel. John5:22

DAN 12:1 WITH ACTS 7:55 STANDING OF MICHAEL REPRESENTS THE CLOSE OF PROBATION.


God operates in many ways.
Heb1:1-5

1 Corinthian 12:4-6 – there are many administrations of God….however there is only one God.

But many of theses administrations were used in order to reveal the plan of Salvation


“The information  that the bible gives about God, including His Three-part-nature, is not provided in order for us to engage in speculative philosophizing but in order to further our understanding of His activities, especially His redemptive work on our behalf as the great controversy unfolds and is finally ended” Growing Christ 2012..pg 17 Tuesday October 9

Identifying a prophet of the Lord

Opening hymn
closing hymn
scripture text: numbers   12:1-6

12:1   And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman. 
  12:2   And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard [it]. 
  12:3   (Now the man Moses [was] very meek, above all the men which [were] upon the face of the earth.) 
  12:4   And the LORD spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, Come out ye three unto the tabernacle of the congregation. And they three came out. 
  12:5   And the LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood [in] the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth. 
  12:6   And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, [I] the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, [and] will speak unto him in a dream. 

intro
In every dispensation of the church the Lord has always had a prophet/mouthpiece to relay his message. Similarly there is a prophet for this dispensation. The Lord has never left His church in darkness.

On day 4 God created light, and from ever since he has been providing the means for light on the Earth. Except this time the light now comes in the form of knowledge/testimony from the mouthpieces that he has ordained.

The big question is, “What dispensation of the church are we now in? To answer this question we need to turn to

Rev 12:6   And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days.

Bible students what time period are we talking about here?  This is none other than the dark ages when the church fled to America to escape persecution. During this time the church did not have a mouthpiece, so the church, just as in the days of Elijah was in a state of hibernation.

There was no growth, but the truth was being preserved by God until the time of reformation. Suddenly the church was awakened from slumber precious truth again was heard from its pulpits.

The prophets are hated
From even the days of Early Israel the prophets have always been hated. They were mocked, locked in dungeons and even killed to the extent that it urged these words from the lips of Christ……….

23:37   O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not! 
  23:38   Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 
  23:39   For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

My earnest desire is that you do not allow these words to be fulfilled upon you.  Let not one word from your mouth speak against a mouthpiece that the Lord has ordained.

The devils Plan of Rejection
The devil has tried and to some extent has been very successful at getting Israel both physical and spiritual to reject the prophets. How has he done this?  He has sent false prophet after false prophet to mislead Israel; and after they have gotten into the mode of rejection, when the true prophet comes the Israelites still reject Him/Her.

So How then do we Identify the prophet?
So that we too do not reject the Lord’s prophet it becomes a necessity that we know what the identifying marks/characteristics of a true prophet are.

Num 12:6   And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, [I] the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, [and] will speak unto him in a dream. 

Visions and dreams given to prophets
Now all the Major Prophets were given visions, that came to pass and that is why we acknowledge them as prophets. Let’s take a look at this.

Gen  15:1   After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I [am] thy shield, [and] thy exceeding great reward.

This speaks to the vision that Abraham had about receiving a Son

Isaih 1:1 The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, [and] Hezekiah, kings of Judah.

This speak to the destruction of Israel if they do not repent from their abominations

Dan 7:1   In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, [and] told the sum of the matters.

This speaks to the disclosure of the little horn power and the other kingdoms which were to come on the Earth.



Elijah and the 7000
There are many prophets but there is one main prophet that God has to do something special for his church.


Example


Does God use men only as prophets- women are prophets too they are called prophjetess.
Ex 15:20 15:20   And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.






If there a prophet among you….identifying the prophet.
jer 28:9 The prophet which prophesieth of peace, when the word of the prophet shall come to pass, [then] shall the prophet be known, that the LORD hath truly sent him. (his word must come to pass)

(must obey the law other wise they are a false prophet)





isaih 8:20  To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them


duet 13:1   If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 
  13:2   And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 
  13:3   Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 
  13:4   Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. 
  13:5   And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn [you] away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.


Deut 18:22 (the false prophet should not be afraid of him)
Prov 28:9, 15: 8

 What took place at the day of pentecost
2:28   And it shall come to pass afterward, [that] I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: 

Has God left his church without a mouth piece since 2000 years aga at the day of Pentecost


Christ was a prophet but was the fulfillment of the law
Heb 1:1 chrsit fulfilled the typical prophets, abraham, noah moses Elijah, isaih jerimian each for a different dispensation of the church. (each spoke to a different aspect of his ministry)
Nmaes
Seth- substitute
Abraham- father of many nations
Elijah- God is the creator
Elisha-

There is now more prophets as it relates to the lord mouth piece. Since Christ has fulfilled that mandate. IN the same way that moses was established so too was CVhrist established


Ex 7:1-2 7:1   And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. 
  7:2   Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land. 

The difference between a major prophet and minor prophets. Her eis being explained the God and the spokeperson, through whom the god speaks through. And then there a third person i.e. the person/people for whom the message ids for.

Now Christ is in the heavenly sanc=tuaty intecding for us Now we need to heed hhis message.

Where do we find this message for the last days.  Turn to rev 1:1

Now was John a prophet of course….Christ is the mediAteor the message comes form the father to the son and to the

There is no need for a man to represent him…in the same way that the ssanctuary on earth is no longer needed

Ellen White
Christ has fulfilled the prophetical aspects. In the same way that that Chrsit has spoken to his prophet John he has spoken to sis white she has the same characteristcics. Let us check it.

isaih 8:20  To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them

 what is this testimony?
Rev 12:7


What is the testimony of jesus
Rev 19:10

The lord made himself kown unto her through visions
But she was not a prophet she is/was the motuh piece for the Lord.


Which of you get visions/messages for the world wide church?

  

The role of a prophet
The role of a prophet is to lead the people of God to greater understanding of the already established truth. Nothing new under the son, just a different/better way of expressing the same thing.

A prophet does not provide new light but tells you to turn back to the original.  Which was laid down at the foundation of the Earth.

Jude 3



No need for her words
No need for her writings if we study.

“Word of God is sufficient”

You would have no need for the testimonies

Speaking to Bro J

  “Let not sin, therefore, reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin; but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.” [Romans 6:12, 13.] Professed Christians, if there were no further light given you than that contained in this text, you would be without excuse in suffering yourselves to be controlled by base passion. The word of God is sufficient to enlighten the most beclouded mind, and it can be understood by those who have any wish to understand it. But in order to give men and women every possible warning, God has sent plain, direct testimonies, pointing them to the word they have neglected to follow. Yet the light is often rejected. Those who serve their own lusts, continue to take pleasure in unrighteousness, notwithstanding the vengeance threatened against those who do such things.  {CTBH 129.1}



Brother J would confuse the mind by seeking to make it appear that the light God has given through the Testimonies is an addition to the Word of God, but in this he presents the matter in a false light. God has seen fit in this manner to bring the minds of His people to His word, to give them a clearer understanding of it. The word of God is sufficient to enlighten the most beclouded mind and may be understood by those who have any desire to understand it. But notwithstanding all this, some who profess to make the Word of God their study are found living in direct opposition to its plainest teachings. Then, to leave men and women without excuse, God gives plain and pointed testimonies, bringing them back to the word that they have neglected to follow. The word of God abounds in general principles for the formation of correct habits of living, and the testimonies, general and personal, have been calculated to call their attention more especially to these principles. {CCh 92.3}